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Yes, yes, and we're on the same phone, like it's on speaker.

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I'm not sure like, if you want, like, to have them introduce, like to have him introduce

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himself or if you want to ask specific things.

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I'm okay with them introducing themselves.

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Should I switch to Spanish now?

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Yeah, that'd be fine.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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It's okay?

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You're okay with that?

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Yes.

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Perfect.

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My first, well this is a project that is directed by, my colleague.

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So I'm going to follow up with your questions.

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And as soon as the piece is ready we'll share the link, and if you have any questions, tell us.

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Okay.

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And well, if you want, I'd like to give you a little introduction.

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Or if you prefer, I ask the questions, whatever works best.

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Well, if you want, you can ask me the questions and I'll answer.

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First, thank you very much for being here.

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I understand that this is an interview that can be difficult.

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So my first question for you is your age, your name, what part of Mexico are you from?

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My name, and I currently have three children.

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I'm years old, and I'm from.

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What part?

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Well, from there, from.

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Perfect.

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I also come from, so I would locate the area.

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My second question for you, just a second, because I'm reading what sent me.

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It would be, why did you decide to leave?

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What was the situation that led you to make the decision to leave?

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Well, where I'm from, there's not a lot of work,

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and we came here looking for a better life.

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Did you leave alone or did you leave with your family?

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Alone.

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When did you leave?

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In 2019.

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What do you miss about your home, and what was your favorite food, being in Mexico?

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Well, I miss my family, because they're all there, my mom, my siblings.

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There was no one on the other side, waiting? Were you alone?

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Well, I had family.

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And that motivated you to make the decision?

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Yes.

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And did they help you during the process?

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Well, they lent me money to be able to come, because it's kind of expensive.

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And when you got there, did they help you, or were you alone?

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Well, they helped me too.

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And how was the transition when you got there?

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Well, by swimming through the river,

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until we got to the side of here.

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And what was the route you took to get to the?

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It took you days.

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And what was the like?

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Well, I was at,

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and I don't really remember how it was, because it was at night when I crossed.

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And did you go in a group?

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Well, there were only, but no one else was there.

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So, you cross the river, and then you get to the border?

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Yes.

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And do you know how many days it took you to do this whole process?

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Well, it depends on the situation, but for me, it was just one night,

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swimming and just walking.

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One night, I mean, did you feel like a whole night swimming?

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No, we just crossed the river, and from there, we walked a little more,

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until someone came to pick us up.

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And how long did it take you to get there, and for someone to pick you up?

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Well, it took me a little more than a day,

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And how long did it take you to get there, and for someone to pick you up?

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About ten minutes.

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And the situation at the border with, were they present? How was it?

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Well, I don't really remember,

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and then and we have to get in quickly,

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but we have to hide as best we can in the car.

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And how dangerous was it

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Well, for me, it was a little dangerous,

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because you don't know the risks you can have, especially at night,

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because the water was too cold,

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and since the river was carrying a lot of current, it can take you.

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So you have to swim very fast, and not let the current take you.

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And being in groups, did it help?

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Did it work as a group at that time?

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Well, because the people who crossed told us that everyone had to fight for their own life,

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because sometimes helping someone else is dangerous, because you can lose your life.

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So you just have to see for yourself.

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How long did your process take?

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Or what is your current status?

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Well, I'm still illegally.

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And how long do you think the process lasted, or what did they tell you?

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Well, I don't know, because I've only crossed here,

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and I haven't done anything legally.

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And is your life what you expected it to be?

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Do you have opportunities, etc.?

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Well, in one part, yes, but not in the other.

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How does it work?

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Well, here you can earn a little more money and be able to help your family,

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but another part is that you have to pay a lot of expenses here,

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and it's long hours of work.

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What do you do in?

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I paint houses.

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And would you like at some point to make the decision to try to regularize your status?

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Well, yes, it would be good.

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Es sencillo o es muy complicado?

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Pues he hablado con personas

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y dicen que a la vez es complicado porque

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pues es difícil el proceso.

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Y a veces como depende las leyes que hay

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aquí en cada estado, pues puede ser más difícil.

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Usted lleva ahorita ya seis años.

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Sí.

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¿Y planea quedarse más tiempo?

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Pues no sé, como por ahorita las cosas están difíciles, entonces.

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Como no sé qué pasaría después

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si decido como quedarme más tiempo o regresar a México.

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Y extraña a México?

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Pues sí, porque toda mi familia está allá

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y. Y pues a veces es difícil de que.

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En un momento te sientes solo y no puedes estar con tu familia.

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Y a su familia no le gustaría en algún momento unirse

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a?

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Pues creo que no, porque a veces yo les les digo, pero no quieren.

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Y eso es porque les gusta mucho México,

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porque suena muy difícil de momento.

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Pues les gusta México y a la vez es difícil

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venir acá, porque es costoso cruzar así legalmente.

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Y la vida en

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además de los obviamente los retos de los documentos y trabajo, etcétera.

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Fuera de eso es, digamos, es una vida que le agrada.

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Me encanta tanto.

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Dónde? Cómo se siente?

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Pues me siento bien, porque.

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Pues trabajando puedo

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comprar ropa o cosas más, más fácilmente

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y poder ayudar a mi familia allá en México.

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Cuando fue la última vez que usted fue a México?

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Hace seis años. Pues cuando?

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Dos mil diecinueve.

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Y desde que me vine para acá a este país no he regresado.

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Y otra pregunta que estaba haciendo aquí fue si nos pudiera describir

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cuál fue su última comida con su familia o amigos antes de partir?

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De qué color era la ropa que se puso en su viaje?

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Si tiene algunos detalles de ese tipo que recuerde que quiera compartir.

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Sí, pues la última comida

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fue solo un desayuno que fue café con pan.

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Y pues solo fue como muy rápido,

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porque las personas que me iban a llevar a la frontera pasaron

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como muy rápido a cerca de mi casa.

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Entonces, pues no me dio mucho tiempo también de despedirme de mi familia.

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Recuerda qué ropa llevaba?

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No, solo recuerdo que llevaba una sudadera gris.

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No, chiquito.

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Y llevaba algo más con usted, con mi mochila o qué tipo de cosas llevaba con

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usted?

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Sí, en una mochila llevaba solo dos camisas

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dos camisas, porque no sabía cuántos días iba a estar en la frontera.

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Entonces fue México con una mochila, dos camisas, un desayuno ligero y fue todo.

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Y cuánto tiempo le tomó en y establecerse después de el

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recorrido?

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Pues es que estuve como dos semanas ahí en la frontera,

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esperando hasta que fuera mi turno.

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Su turno para poder entrar y para poder cruzar el río.

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Y antes del desayuno, tuvo alguna cena con su familia en la noche?

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Solo con mi mamá y dos hermanos míos,

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que fuimos a comer tacos.

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Y cómo se sentía su familia al respecto?

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Pues a la vez mi mamá estaba feliz, pero también estaba triste porque.

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Pues es que es muy riesgoso cuando uno viene para acá, porque.

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Hay muchas cosas que pueden pasar, como es difícil cruzar el río

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y a la vez no sabes como si vas a sobrevivir o algo así.

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O también del lado mexicano.

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Puedes tener riesgos de que puedas ser secuestrado.

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Cómo es el lado mexicano al respecto?

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Pues en ese en esa época, cuando yo llegué.

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Pues como es que era como solo llegamos a un hotel,

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pero de ahí no nos dejaban salir porque nos podían secuestrar,

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como si no éramos de esa zona.

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Y secuestrar por mi imagen no van los criminales.

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Y entonces no nos dejaban salir del hotel hasta que era como

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nuestro turno. Ya de ahí nos llevaban al.

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A la orilla del río.

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Y de ahí teníamos que cruzar el río nadando.

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Entonces cruza, llega al otro lado e inmediatamente ya entra al país y se

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integra. Es así como funciona.

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Pues no así, porque.

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Todavía ahí es como lo más riesgoso,

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porque tienes que ocultarte y que no te

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atrape como la policía de migración.

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Y desde ese momento, cuánto tiempo le toma ya llegar a un lugar?

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Establecerse es cuestión de semanas, meses.

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Pues es cuestión de semanas,

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porque yo recuerdo que estuve una semana

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del lado americano en una casa en Laredo.

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Y de ahí otra vez igual esperé mi turno para que me pudieran como

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traer acá a donde estoy ahorita.

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Y ellos ayudaron a conseguir trabajo.

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Tenía amigos y ellos fueron los que me ayudaron a conseguir trabajo.

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Y ya hay alguna barrera con respecto al lenguaje o usted ya sabe inglés?

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No, pues todavía no sé inglés.

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A veces también eso es difícil para como encontrar un

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trabajo, porque a veces como no puedes comunicarte con las

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personas.

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Tiene algo mi amiga, mi compañera, mi colega,

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pregunta que si tiene alguna foto sobre su viaje y si usted decida compartir

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algunas, pueden difuminar los rostros,

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no sobre su viaje o incluso unos días antes de su viaje.

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Cualquier cosa que le gustaría compartir.

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No creo que no tengo,

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porque cuando crucé pues se me cayó el teléfono en el río

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y estaba sin nada.

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Y cuando llega usted a después de pasar por el río

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y todo lo demás?

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Pues solo con la ropa que.

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Que tenemos.

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Y su mochila?

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No, esa no, porque también la tienes que tirar en el.

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discurso del camino porque no,

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no podemos llevar nada.

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Entonces voy a llevar con usted dinero al menos.

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Sí, sí puedes llevar dinero.

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Pero supongo que también hay riesgo con eso.

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Pues sí, también un poco de riesgo.

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Pero

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lo más difícil es como a veces

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eh, para cambiarlo.

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Pero

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como no sé si es riesgoso como al cruzar

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porque del de aquí del lado americano es

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el más difícil porque te puede agarrar la policía de migración

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y cuando te deportan, pues

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sí, sí, estás como en un lugar solo y no tienes con quién comunicarte.

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Te pueden secuestrar.

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Usted sabiendo lo que sabe hoy, si estuviera en México,

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tomaría la misma decisión?

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Pues así como está la situación,

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si quisiera como para cruzar ilegalmente no, no lo haría.

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No lo volvería, o sea, no lo haría porque esta situación ahorita,

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si estuviera como estaba antes, si hubiera hecho de nuevo.

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No, pues no creo porque si es como riesgoso.

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Y si alguien le preguntara a usted, bueno, me encantaría hacerlo,

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tengo su necesidad, etcétera.

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O sea que recomendaría a nuevas personas que busquen la misma oportunidad?

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Pues es que cuando estás en México y tienes familia

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o personas que están en este país, te cuentan como las cosas buenas.

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Te dicen que vas a ganar mucho dinero y entonces,

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pues nosotros nos emocionamos porque eso creemos de que vamos a llegar

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aquí y ganar mucho dinero para mandar a nuestra familia,

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que vamos a comprar carro, vamos a comprar casa muy fácil,

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pero es difícil porque

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cuando vienes ilegalmente.

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Pues tienes una deuda con las personas que te cruzan.

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Entonces lo primero que tienes que hacer es buscar trabajo

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para poderles pagar a ellos, a las personas que te llevan aquí.

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Y como cuánto tiempo toma lograr saldar esa deuda?

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Cuando yo pasé,

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fueron como un año aproximadamente.

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Y a partir de entonces usted ya pudo ahorrar y hacer todo lo demás?

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Sí, pero pues a la vez es difícil también porque

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tienes que después de que pagas la deuda,

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pues tienes que pagar la deuda y después de que pagas la deuda,

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después de que pagas la deuda,

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pues tienes que sacar un apartamento,

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comprar tu propio vehículo para poder ir al trabajo.

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Porque a veces como las personas

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ya no te quieren hacer favor de llevarte al trabajo o algo así,

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entonces después de que pagas tu deuda,

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tienes que comprar un vehículo.

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Entiendo. Y cómo es su día a día de momento?

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Pues así como está la situación ahorita,

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es difícil porque como salimos al trabajo,

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pero no sabemos si vamos a regresar a casa o

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o si nos va a atrapar la policía de migración

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y nos puede deportar.

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Entonces es como un riesgo también por mí.

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Estás con miedo.

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Esto era antes. Esto era mucho mejor antes de esa nueva presidencia.

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La situación era más tranquila, digamos un año atrás o dos años atrás.

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Pues un poco, un poco sí, porque

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pues no era tan tan riesgoso salir al trabajo o a las tiendas.

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Y usted lo que hace primordialmente es pintar casas o tiene diferentes tipos de

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trabajos?

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No, pues por el momento solo eso, pintar casas.

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Pues muchísimas gracias por su tiempo y por compartir su historia con nosotros.

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Tiene algo más que decir que nos guste,

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que le gustaría que se hubiera reflejado en la pieza o algo que nos falte?

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Pues no sé si usted quisiera preguntar algo más.

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Creo que por el momento es todo.

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Creo que por el momento es todo, pero si a surgir alguna otra duda,

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podríamos contactarlo de nuevo.

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Sí.

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Muchísimas gracias por su tiempo y por esta entrevista.

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Sí, de nada.

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A ver, I think we're done.

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Thank you so much. Thank you, Fernando.

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Do you have a like Elizabeth?

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Perhaps you can translate this.

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Do you have a name that he wants us to use instead of Fernando?

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Or can we just make it up?

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And how how old is he?

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Did we get that?

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Sí, sí. Yes, I think you mentioned that.

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Fernando, me pregunté a Lea que si.

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Que le gustaría que usáramos su nombre en la pieza o deberíamos usar otro tipo de

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nombre o inventamos un nombre?

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O sea, que prefiere que hagamos?

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¿Quién le puede inventar otro nombre?

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¿Me puede repetir su edad de momento?

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¿En este momento?

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Veintiséis.

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Veintiséis, correcto.

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Yes, so he says he prefers us to use another name.

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And right now.

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He's been in the for six years now, since.

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OK, thank you so much.

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Thank you, Emma.

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Thank you, Fernando.

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And thank you, Elizabeth.

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I know it's so early for you.

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Thank you so much.

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Eso es bueno.

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No, muchísimas gracias, Emma y Fernando.

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Eso es súper valorado y nos encantaría mantener el contacto.

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Sí, está bien.

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Thank you, Emma.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Thank you so much, Emma.

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I'll be in touch. Thank you.

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OK, sounds good.

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Take care.

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Nos vemos. Muchas gracias.

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Hasta luego. Bye.

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Bye bye.

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Recording stopped.

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Hey.

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Hey, how was it?

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It was good. I asked like tons of questions that maybe were not there,

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but maybe it will help you.

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Things that maybe we know a bit more about the trip and stuff.

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He was a little bit short in some answers, but I think it could be helpful

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for you. He didn't give so many details, for instance, about your last meal

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and this and that. He was very specific about that.

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But I asked many other things that maybe will help in the context of your

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piece. Things like how is your life

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We recommend people taking this journey again.

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What is your routine like sometimes?

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How was your trip?

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And he was describing how it was like being in the river or things like that.

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Oh, gosh. Yeah.

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And did you talk about what he does

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Yes, he paid house rents.

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He doesn't speak English.

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He doesn't have yet his documents, but he mainly paid houses

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and run into this with fear, of course, of kind of going out

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and being trapped and having to come back.

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And I ask if if you were to take this decision again right now,

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would you take it?

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And he's like, no, not really.

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It's like kind of dangerous.

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And I would not recommend this because when people are outside,

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they tell you the good things like, oh, you're going to earn a lot of money.

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You're going to have a job and stuff.

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But they don't tell you kind of the other side.

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And he's like, that's a part of we didn't fully know until we came here.

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And something interesting that he said.

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Sorry, tell me, please go ahead. I'll ask.

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Something interesting that he said as well was that it was dangerous